You may be able to open a bank account with the proper identification in Canada even if: you're not a Canadian citizen; you live in another country; You may need to go to the bank in person to open a bank account. A couple of months pass until her house was sold and the sale closed a week ago. Will taxes apply to your estate in Canada? There isn't an estate department in the branches, but there is one in Toronto.If you have Letters of Administration, you now have the right to collect the deceased's assets. I was told I would have to open a personal account in my name. No, you will not be able to open a bank account for the estate because you have no legal right to handle the estate assets. Take the funeral bill to the bank where your uncle had his funds. Banks drive me nuts, for exactly the kind of thing you've just described.Lynne. I opinion, you don't go to RBC if you have a non-probated Will. Can we just deposit the cheques in our own account? I have opened an Estate Account for my father, but the bank will *NOT* give me an updatable bank book or online access to the account. My husband is executor and the only child and only beneficiary. What sort of resistance am I likely to encounter from the bank when I try to close them? If not, you might try escalating your request up through the bank's channels until you find someone willing to actually make the simple change. I'm in Alberta. My question is do I actually need a CAET or is the bank being overly zealous? What would be the purpose of such a designation if people could just ignore them?I'm not an accountant, but my understanding is that the RRSP will be fully taxable when it is paid into the estate. I'm very sorry to hear about your son. How can he sign papers, cheques if he is not physically able to do so? Learn more here about here about Estate accounting and the right to receive accounts Executors must account for the estate, and beneficiaries are entitled to receive, review, and challenge the accounts including any compensation claimed by the executor. His RRSP beneficiary form completed in 2011 lists my sister and me as his beneficiaries (oversight). I certainly hope that the bank will verify by looking at the will, as this is what they are supposed to do. On the Statement of Death I was named as next of kin as I was always the one with Mom taking care of her affairs. I am both executor of her "estate", as well as POA and sole beneficiary. Hi Lynne, I had POA for my mum, who had dementia. Estate Plan: A written document that outlines an individual's strategy for the disposition and administration of their property at their death, incapacity or total disability. This does seem like a genuine mistake, but certainly a preventable one. I happen to be a beneficery, as well as my 3 kids. Are they allowed to do this? I don't want to probate because our wills were joint as was everything in our lives. Absolutely unacceptable.You said that "she" sent funds from "her" bank account so I assume that is his wife. They also told me that it doesn't matter if the will states that the funds are to be split between myself and 3 kids, that because they have it listed on their system that only the kids are beneficeries, that they have to go by that. It's a downfall in our system, but that is the system we have.Let's hope your brother is standing right in the middle of the road when the karma bus comes barreling along.Lynne. I don;t know what is happening in this particular estate that might make the executor think that. They are doing the right thing and you are ignoring how your father in law had things set up.Lynne. This declaration that the bank has mentioned are they getting that from somewhere? I am the person who paid for the funeral and I already applied for the CPP death benefit. Hi Lynne: Great and informative blog.My husbands uncle died recently. My question is, do I need to apply for a probate grant before I go to a financial institution to open an estate account? I live in the USA, my son lived in Canada and passed this year. They will continue to do this until a beneficiary sues them. As the executor I am just starting the estate work. I've heard and seen horror stories from every bank and credit union.Note that I'm not talking about the trust company part of the banks. In some states and in some estate situations, estate accounts are restricted. My mother being executor & beneficiary of all his assets, we did not think probate was necessary, so no application has been made. In my view, you are doing exactly what is supposed to happen - even though the accounts are in joint names, you are treating the accounts as assets of the estate. If you waste or steal the estate, that's not on them; it's on you. Two witnesses, however, signed the will as witnesses and swear that the maker of the will (now deceased) made the will, and somehow no one noticed that the maker did not sign it. My mother passed away January 19, 2020. Now the will have been pronated and the bank has all information requested but will not release the money to the estate account because they want to keep it to cover the mortgage (with the same bank). Hope this not too confusing. "Is that the case in every province or are their provincial differences? It's a fairly small estate, about 80k in RIFF's, chequing account. Does anyone know if they are obligated to move assets over to the estate account, before the probated will is received? How can I keep track of what cheques have cleared? Does the executor have the right to take the funds to any bank? I don't have the big picture! You can open an estate bank account after initiating probate and petitioning the court for formal recognition as executor or administrator. However, this past week, she received an unexpected check for a substantial amount, written out to my father's estate. It's never speedy at the best of times, but it will be longer if there is confusion over who is supplying what papers.Lynne, Hi Lynne,My Step daughter has an estate check for her and my son. Hoping you can answer my question. We were able to open up an estate account at the Bank of Montreal and transfer the funds from her account without going through probate. Executors don't have to wait for the grant of probate. Two convenient options: Pay annually and save - $39.50 per yea We have heard from others that other banks did not pull this. All properties were sold and bills paid and income tax filed. My dad had no will, no spouse and i am his only child. My brother lives two provinces away. I don't need the money but want this to be resolved. For example, some estate accounts are restricted in a way that allows deposits but no withdrawals can be made without a court order. It may seem inconvenient but there reasons for it, not the least of which is who is earning any interest on the account.Keep in mind that in law, that joint bank account belongs to your father, not to you, but that's a story for another post.Since I know nothing at all about your father, his marital situation, his assets, his debts, or anything else, I really couldn't say what you need to do. Can I open an estate account and deposit his cheque into it. (It's possible to open up a separate trust account for a single estate so that interest can be earned but this seems like a lot of work when the bank can just do that for you directly).Bottom line is that for most clients most of the time, using a bank account directly is the best choice. The estate accounts themselves are different from the original receipts, cheques, bank statements, etc. Your bank is doing what any bank would do in the circumstances. I was told by a lawyer that since the death happened in Quebec (where he was living), that I do not have to put the money through probate in BC, No, you should not need probate if the estate was handled in Quebec. Yes, you have ALL the rights. Yes, I would expect that you would have to obtain probate to deal with the account, due to the high dollar value. Her authority to deal with estate assets comes from the will itself, not the probate. Hi Lynne, my deceased father's will dated 2015 names my Mother as a sole beneficiary of his entire estate, however does not list every single account he had. Lynne. Hi Lynne. Waste of time.It takes sometimes up to a year or more to probate a Will, but bills need to be paid before that. It will be the job of the estate's executor to set up and monitor the account. My recently deceased mother had create a trust through Wood Gundy for my daughter to help her through university. I informed the branch manager, who did pay her outstanding accounts directly. You have the right to deal with the account as well as the risk if you screw it up, so they aren't in a position to put up any resistance.Lynne. i still have a joint back account that is open. However, an executor does have the right to use whatever bank he or she chooses, and it makes sense to go where you feel comfortable and have received good service. most of her property was gifted to me before her death. Thank you so much in advance! Mum's UK state pension was overpaid by 1 week, having finally received notice of the amount, I now have to reimburse that myself because RBC refuses. Will probate be necessary for this? Any advice you may be able to offer would be appreciated. No, the executor cannot make gifts that were not mentioned in the will. No debits. There are only two cheques to deposit and she never paid taxes, only received refunds due to low income. Hi Bob,I would be very surprised if the bank did not allow you to sign a letter of indemnity under the circumstances. Also because the will has not been probated and I am not willing to go through the paper work and trouble to do so what are my options for closing this account next year. You will find forms for transferring a vehicle after the death of the owner. Well, I posted the above,on July 16tth along with the other person who also had issues with Royal bank on July 8th. If that is the case, what exactly are you expecting CRA to give you? So with Mom's money and the estate cheque it would be around $5,000. The simple answer is that the people in the branch have no idea how to deal with estates. Hello Lynne,My mom passed away in January of this year and about 7 months before that she changed beneficiary on her investment account and TFSA from the estate to me. Perhaps the house would fetch more if it were repaired and restored, but the executors will have to balance that off against the cost of repairs, the cost of insurance and property tax during that time, the odds that the market will stay strong, how much of a gain in price there is likely to be, and the patience (or lack of it) on the part of the beneficiaries. So out of her account I paid for her last medications so it is a fully paid now. Any recourse with these morons? If you are the administrator, who has set up the estate account?Is the account actually an estate account, or is it simply your sister's account that was in place at the time she died? Because these accounts are assets of the estate, you will have to get probate to distribute them.Lynne. The will called for my sister and I to each receive 45% of the proceeds and the other 10% would be distributed evenly among my sisters two kids and my two kids. What is the harm of just dividing the money between the two of us and paying the last few estate bills from our own accounts? 8. Do I just issue cheques from the estate account and the cancelled cheque is proof? All the estate assets have since been liquidated and deposited to the CIBC estate account, and now CIBC has locked the funds and is refusing to distribute the funds until such time as each and every beneficiary appears at a branch of CIBC, identifies themselves with the previously provided ID's and signs the account application. FIL was not natt8ed, Julie, what does "FIL was not natt8ed" mean?Lynne. If all is well, the probate order will verify the will is valid. Thanks. If it is simply her account, then you need to close it and open an estate account in your name as administrator. That is my main concern now. If your mother "had nothing", there should be almost nothing for an executor to do, so acting as executor shouldn't actually be much bother.I find it really frustrating that people will wash their hands of all work and responsibility for their parents except when it comes to getting some money out of it.Lynne. The problem was resolved in a day after I fired off a couple of nasty emails to RBC's client centre, Trust wing and Ombudsman. Everything has been done for the estate. I recently opened an estate account at a bank and they refuse to give me online access. Why is the bank refusing to add my name as the administrator to my sister's estate bank account? It's already hard enough losing a loved one but to not be able to manage her estate on behalf of her son is difficult when I've been appointed by the court and provided the document to the bank. Per the CRA website a T4RRSP/T4LIF/T4RRIF should be issued showing fair market value on date of deat, and interest earned from DOD until the end of the year. It's just an expense and a bother if it's not needed. Whether or not he exceeded his authority is a matter for a judge in a civil court to decide so it muddies the water. I know this because I spent 7 years at Scotiabank doing whatever I could to help out the front line staff dealing with estates. The bank has frozen any access to these accounts until a declaration form is received at the branch for me too sign. Lynne. With great rewards, interest and unlimited and free transactions and Interac e-Transfers, it rivals and beats all other youth accounts in the country. One is that the two of you work it out between you. I have Mom's taxes done for this year. The person you choose to administer your estate will use the account's funds to settle your debts, pay taxes and distribute assets. which the individual transactions. The bank will simply remove the parent's name from the account upon receiving proof of death, leaving the surviving account holder with full access to and legal ownership of the account. It's now over a year since our relative's DOD and delays are almost all due to the executor's actions or lack thereof. A cheque was released to to each person on title for a project (including my grandmother whom they knew was deceased) . He had a will and I am his sole beneficiary. One lawyer told my mother, that she had a case against the three banks, but of course she was dying and had no money except for her pension, which he took, convincing her he had made a deal for my brother to return the money, and pay thousands in legal fees, to the lawyer. Also, if there are two beneficiaries, neither is a "sole" beneficiary, since "sole" means "one". How long should it take for a bank to open an estate account? We spoke with a tax specialist for the bank on the phone, and he said if the branch would update her accounts to show 'estate of' in the titles of the accounts he could reissue the slips to show the required information - however the branch is refusing stating probate requirement. Scotiabank's Getting There Savings Program for Youth is one of the best youth accounts in the country. Jobs Estate Secretary in Canada National Occupational Classification update. TD won't cash the cheque, saying it needs to go into an estate account. Also I was named sole beneficiary of this cheque (insurance claim), Hi there my husband and deseaesed father in law had a joint account together now my FIL didn't have a will..can he still deposited life insurance cheques into the personal account (only child) or will he still have yo open up a estate account ?will our lawyer still have yo go to court to make him executar of estate? Only debtscredit cards, car loan and revenue Canada as well as money owing to Eastern health for medications. My mother passed away in mid-March. Do I get bank drafts and a contract made up?One beneficiary is a minor. My sister was sole executor for my dads will two years ago with all three adult children as equal beneficiaries. The strategy is usually accomplished through the writing of a Will and establishing Powers of Attorney and similar documents. It's always a guessing game.The duty on the executors is to examine all options and go with what makes the most sense to them. The bank was very helpful ,CIBC, in not having me set up an estate account (funds in account under $3000) as I had a joint account due to his dementia where his money went in and his bills came out of. According to law, that was his wish. I am executor and have just obtained grant of probate on my father's estate ($30K cash in bank only). She died in January, but now Empire Life says that they made a mistake in allowing me (as POA) to name myself as a beneficiary and want to make a cheque payable to the estate. Thank you. Currently, I'm asking the bank to add my name by changing the account to Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. I have all the receipts and this will be documented in the final accounting but I realize this may not entirely be legal. I am an executor of my mother's will. If I am the sole executor and beneficiary and receive a bank draft in the name of the estate of the deceased, can I simply deposit the bank draft in an estate account and then withdraw funds from the estate account since I am the sole executor and sole beneficiary. Thanks. Unlimited debit transactions 3, Interac e-Transfer transactions, and Scotia International Money Transfers . The manager isn't available, and both of the assistant managers are unavailable. Just be sure to keep detailed records of what came in and how you used the funds so that you can explain it all later.Lynne, My mother was killed suddenly and although she requested I be her executor she neglected to sign her will properly. My father was a street person, so they helped to budget his money. Everything else of my husbands, all accounts, homes,, RRSP's etc. Thank you. It is not unusual at all for a bank to insist on having a grant of probate before releasing funds. Does the executor pay out of pocket?I would really appreciate your help. I am not the executor, a relative who is a C.A. Accounts are not always frozen. Your blog is very informativeThank you. She said I would receive an e-mail and/or a call. She had one (nonjoint) bank account, a TFSA which had some money in it. No bank wants funds to flow out. Can I relinquish my claim as beneficiary and have Empire Life send the money directly to my 2 brothers, thus avoiding probate? 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